tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3229990984320313018.post2715284984809520106..comments2023-11-23T18:05:15.094+00:00Comments on Rational Islam? - Letters to a Muslim: Islam v ScientologySpinozahttp://www.blogger.com/profile/06059865902367641577noreply@blogger.comBlogger23125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3229990984320313018.post-37990871630016820262013-10-13T15:18:03.634+01:002013-10-13T15:18:03.634+01:00Would you like to dispute any of the facts contain...Would you like to dispute any of the facts contained in the post, Muslim?Spinozahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06059865902367641577noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3229990984320313018.post-30505831830491336782013-10-13T14:38:08.776+01:002013-10-13T14:38:08.776+01:00Lesley Hazleton: award-winning British-American w...Lesley Hazleton: award-winning British-American writer of politics, religion, and history<br /> <br />“…And where the Bible is addressed exclusively to men using the 2nd or 3rd person masculine, the Qur’an includes women, talking for instance of believing men, AND believing women, honourable men AND honourable women…” <br />[(The references in Qur’an are 33:35, there are other similar verses such as Qur’an 3:195, Qur’an 4:124 and one Whole Chapter given to women as Honour which is Surah Al Nisa 4) [Chapter Women chapter 4 regarding Equal Rights ] [Link: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3Y2Or0LlO6g]<br /><br />Annie Besant Annie Besant <br /> (1847-1933) British theosophist and nationalist leader in India. President of the Indian National Congress in 1917.<br /> "I often think that woman is more free in Islam than in Christianity. Woman is more protected by Islam than by the faith which preaches Monogamy. In Al-Quran the law about woman is more just and liberal. It is only in the last twenty years that Christian England, has recognized the right of woman to property, while Islam has allowed this right from all times." [The Life and Teachings of Muhammad, Madras, 1932, pp. 25, 26]<br />Muslimhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07087146116986558762noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3229990984320313018.post-4007834463306192712012-07-09T20:09:54.209+01:002012-07-09T20:09:54.209+01:00When men enter heaven they will be shape-shifted t...When men enter heaven they will be shape-shifted to 60 cubits tall and they will all resemble Adam. So yes they will be the right dimensions to co-habit with the houris.<br /><br />Bukhari 4:544 Allah's Apostle said, 'The first group of people who will enter Paradise? Their wives will be Houris. All of them will look alike and will resemble their father Adam (in stature), sixty cubits tall.'<br /><br />Notice in this hadith Muhammad says that the first group of people to enter paradise will get wives from the houris. We can therefore assume that the first group of people entering are all men. As usual, no consideration for women.<br /><br />AzimAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3229990984320313018.post-32252903731153468612012-07-09T15:47:49.302+01:002012-07-09T15:47:49.302+01:00Perhaps Azim's comments are getting automatica...Perhaps Azim's comments are getting automatically false flagged by the spam filter. I've enjoyed many of your comments on various posts btw, Azim.<br /><br />I'm not sure how much fun 80 foot houris would be unless I am a similar size! But what about the fruit, trees etc. Is everything much bigger in which case it is pretty meaningless.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3229990984320313018.post-26794701821823174002012-07-09T15:22:14.157+01:002012-07-09T15:22:14.157+01:00Couldn't agree more, Azim.
I can't see wha...Couldn't agree more, Azim.<br />I can't see what the "sisters" get out of Islam at all.<br />HelenAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3229990984320313018.post-46525974573532066262012-07-09T14:30:44.084+01:002012-07-09T14:30:44.084+01:00Thanks for that
- AzimThanks for that<br /> - AzimAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3229990984320313018.post-30351548444911294862012-07-09T14:08:41.094+01:002012-07-09T14:08:41.094+01:00According to Muhammad most women are destined for ...According to Muhammad most women are destined for Hell anyway.<br /><br />Bukhari 62:124 Muhammad said "I stood at the gate of the Fire and saw that the majority of those who entered it were women."<br /><br />For a woman to get into paradise she must please her husband. Her eternal existence in the afterlife is all dependent on the whims and fancies of her husband.<br /><br />Al Tirmidhi & Ibn Majah - The Prophet said, "If a woman dies while her husband was pleased with her, she will enter paradise."<br /><br />So according to the Prophet, a woman will go to hell for all eternity, no matter how good a person she was, just because her husband was not pleased with her. So Spinoza, coming back to your last post, 'Repent', such dogma are so capricious and misogynistic that you'd really have to be blinded by faith, with all your faculties of reasoning and logic subdued in order to be convinced of its divine origin.<br /><br />Women, should they make it into Paradise, are destined to spend eternity with just the one man, their earthly husband. The houris however do not want their man antagonized by his earthly wife:<br /><br />Ibn-i-Majah 3:2014 Allah’s Messenger said, “A woman does not annoy her husband but his spouse from amongst the houris will say: Do not annoy him, may Allah ruin you. He is with you as a passing guest. Very soon, he will part with you and come to us.”<br /><br />So even in Paradise, women will be subjected by threats, keeping them in line with obedience and servitude to their husband.<br /><br />I have never yet come across any pronouncements on the plight of women who do make it into Heaven but their husbands don't. We can only assume they will live an eternal sexless life in the hereafter; which might be a great relief for many women after their ordeals at the hands of men during their earthly life. <br />AzimAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3229990984320313018.post-39072207269754128042012-07-09T14:06:58.612+01:002012-07-09T14:06:58.612+01:00I have no idea, Azim.
I have a copy of your commen...I have no idea, Azim.<br />I have a copy of your comments which appear in my inbox so I will post them on your behalfSpinozahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06059865902367641577noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3229990984320313018.post-72409043191592497792012-07-09T14:05:47.069+01:002012-07-09T14:05:47.069+01:00Spinoza, Every time I post using the name 'Azi...Spinoza, Every time I post using the name 'Azim' the post initially appears but after a few minutes it is deleted. Any reason why? <br />AzimAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3229990984320313018.post-86866606850350049042012-07-09T13:48:07.340+01:002012-07-09T13:48:07.340+01:00Spinoza, Every time I post using the name 'Azi...Spinoza, Every time I post using the name 'Azim' the post initially appears but after a few minutes it is deleted. Any reason why?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3229990984320313018.post-63544225041232038622012-07-09T13:45:20.171+01:002012-07-09T13:45:20.171+01:00Sorry that last paragraph should be HEAVEN not HEL...Sorry that last paragraph should be HEAVEN not HELL and should read:<br /><br />I have never yet come across any pronouncements on the plight of women who do make it into HEAVEN but their husbands don't. We can only assume they will live an eternal sexless life in the hereafter; which might be a great relief for many women after their ordeals at the hands of men during their earthly life.Azimnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3229990984320313018.post-12098944559598672412012-07-09T13:37:48.803+01:002012-07-09T13:37:48.803+01:00According to Muhammad most women are destined for ...According to Muhammad most women are destined for Hell anyway.<br /><br />Bukhari 62:124 Muhammad said "I stood at the gate of the Fire and saw that the majority of those who entered it were women."<br /><br />For a woman to get into paradise she must please her husband. Her eternal existence in the afterlife is all dependent on the whims and fancies of her husband.<br /><br />Al Tirmidhi & Ibn Majah - The Prophet said, "If a woman dies while her husband was pleased with her, she will enter paradise."<br /><br />So according to the Prophet, a woman will go to hell for all eternity, no matter how good a person she was, just because her husband was not pleased with her. So Spinoza, coming back to your last post, 'Repent', such dogma are so capricious and misogynistic that you'd really have to be blinded by faith, with all your faculties of reasoning and logic subdued in order to be convinced of its divine origin.<br /><br />Women, should they make it into Paradise, are destined to spend eternity with just the one man, their earthly husband. The houris however do not want their man antagonized by his earthly wife:<br /><br />Ibn-i-Majah 3:2014 Allah’s Messenger said, “A woman does not annoy her husband but his spouse from amongst the houris will say: Do not annoy him, may Allah ruin you. He is with you as a passing guest. Very soon, he will part with you and come to us.”<br /><br />So even in Paradise, women will be subjected by threats, keeping them in line with obedience and servitude to their husband.<br /><br />I have never yet come across any pronouncements on the plight of women who do make it into hell but their husbands don't. We can only assume they will live an eternal sexless life in the hereafter; which might be a great relief for many women after their ordeals at the hands of men during their earthly life.Azimnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3229990984320313018.post-65398955974709201902012-07-09T09:39:12.421+01:002012-07-09T09:39:12.421+01:00'fraid not, Anon.
It seems that Allah is less...'fraid not, Anon. <br />It seems that Allah is less concerned about providing a sexual nirvana for his female followers (i suspect because it was less important to get women to willingly throw themselves into battle without caring for their own safety)<br />The men, however, were also promised, according to certain hadith, permanent erections to cope with the giant horny ladies.<br />(And let's not forget that the Chairman of the Conservative Party, Baroness Warsi, has to believe this nonsense.)Spinozahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06059865902367641577noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3229990984320313018.post-42802917334420889012012-07-09T06:38:31.342+01:002012-07-09T06:38:31.342+01:00Just asking; But do the Muslim women get 80 foot h...Just asking; But do the Muslim women get 80 foot hairless men with see through permanent erections?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3229990984320313018.post-25009454151961066432012-07-08T22:49:30.622+01:002012-07-08T22:49:30.622+01:00I think you've just proved my point, Anon.I think you've just proved my point, Anon.Spinozahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06059865902367641577noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3229990984320313018.post-28264817977259455202012-07-08T19:23:13.943+01:002012-07-08T19:23:13.943+01:00As Allahs Messenger said:
“Hold fast to my Sunna...As Allahs Messenger said:<br /><br />“Hold fast to my Sunnah and the Sunnah of the rightly guided Caliphs. Stick to them.” (Sound Hadith, Ahmad)<br />We should hold on to the Qur’an and should not dispense with the Hadith. Allah the Almighty says: “And we have sent down unto you (also) the Message: that you may explain clearly to men what is sent for them.” (Qur’ân 16:44) Allâh ’s Messenger said: “Verily, I have been given the Qur’ân and a likeness of it with it (i.e. the Sunnah).” (Sound Hâdîth, Abu Dawud and others)<br />PeaceAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3229990984320313018.post-53289523331116385592012-07-08T18:42:52.593+01:002012-07-08T18:42:52.593+01:00Couldn't agree more, Captain. I especially enj...Couldn't agree more, Captain. I especially enjoy the idea that God should decree that the giant virgins should have shaven havens.<br />As you so rightly say - teenage porn fantasies.Spinozahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06059865902367641577noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3229990984320313018.post-9757316121683889342012-07-08T18:31:41.138+01:002012-07-08T18:31:41.138+01:00As ridiculous as 80-90 ft virgins with resurrectiv...As ridiculous as 80-90 ft virgins with resurrective hymens are, shouldn't one be more ridiculed by the thought that the best possible world (heaven) imagined by an omniscient, omnipotent being is very similar to the sexual fantasies of a teenage boy? <br /><br />Isn't this a good indication that it was all made up by a guy who brainwashed men who already believe in magic rocks and genies to join his new cult by indulging them in their fantasies?CaptainDisguisehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00426652177631313145noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3229990984320313018.post-53400187838552287202012-07-08T15:59:12.599+01:002012-07-08T15:59:12.599+01:00I think we need to be careful not to conflate the ...I think we need to be careful not to conflate the ideology with the people who follow it. <br />I know many Muslims who are generous and good people; just as I am aware that there are those whose views of women and gays have been poisoned by Islam.<br />Islam is the problem - not Muslims.Spinozahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06059865902367641577noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3229990984320313018.post-9562610315043343902012-07-08T15:51:11.069+01:002012-07-08T15:51:11.069+01:00Islam stinks, and all who believe one word of its ...Islam stinks, and all who believe one word of its sexist, racist, homophobic, poisonous mind-sewage.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3229990984320313018.post-59182528338461223522012-07-08T15:13:09.381+01:002012-07-08T15:13:09.381+01:00Dear Anon,
Please read the Post Script I have adde...Dear Anon,<br />Please read the Post Script I have added to my post. I hope you'll find that clear enough.Spinozahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06059865902367641577noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3229990984320313018.post-41883936698425477682012-07-08T15:03:54.745+01:002012-07-08T15:03:54.745+01:00Rubbish - I don't need to believe this to be a...Rubbish - I don't need to believe this to be a Muslim.<br />You are spreading lies!Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3229990984320313018.post-14141687549694660082012-07-08T15:02:56.369+01:002012-07-08T15:02:56.369+01:00Rubbish - I don't need to believe this to be a...Rubbish - I don't need to believe this to be a Muslim.<br />You are spreading lies!Anonymousnoreply@blogger.com